Episode 9 - Body Resilience with Tanya Mark

Are you waiting to take a vacation, go for your dream job or maybe you are waiting to put yourself out there to date until you lose weight? Stop and listen to this episode so you can start living your best life. In this episode we talk to Tanya Mark and hear her journey from a former "eat this, not that" nutrition coach and exercise professional to a passionate advocate for the anti-diet, body positive movement. Learn how having a positive body image can powerfully enhance your life. Stop getting stuck in the body hate, diet/restriction cycle.

Tanya Mark is a non-diet nutrition and healthy body image coach that works with clients virtually around the world from her home base in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Professionally Certified in Intuitive Eating, Eating Psychology and Nutrition Therapy and a Licensed Be Body Positive Group Facilitator, she helps health-conscious humans ditch dieting for gentle nutrition and make peace with food and their bodies. She’s an ambassador for The Body Image Movement, blogs for Redefining Wellness and is author of Radical Acceptance, a Jackson Hole News and Guide column that rebels against diet culture by redefining health and promoting healthy body image. She’s been featured in numerous publications and podcasts as a passionate advocate for the anti-diet, body positive movement.

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Radical Self Acceptance: An Experiment/Performance by Amy Pence-Brown

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TRANSCRIPT

Christine
Welcome Tanya to the podcast.

Tanya
Thanks for having me, Christine. I'm excited to have this conversation with you today.

Christine
Yes, me too. And you are living where right now,

Tanya
Jackson Hole, Wyoming,.

Christine
So I want to talk to you a little bit about your background. I know that the work that you do has shifted quite a bit from where you were originally when you went to nutrition school. So talk to me about what it was like for you when you finish nutrition school and you were working with clients.

Tanya
Yeah, you bet. After nutrition school, I was very much an "eat this, not that" style of nutrition, professional and I became really neurotic around food. So I was following all the rules of quote good and bad foods to a T. And of course on the outside that looks super healthy. And I never really even recognize that this approach to quote healthy eating was really not all that healthy. It was certainly affecting my social life. Going out to eat. Just wasn't as fun when everything had to, I had to like have the checkbox of what I couldn't enjoy, could eat. So that certainly detracted from my life. You know, I couldn't be as spontaneous. I wasn't very flexible at all. I mean, in fact, one time, my husband and I went rock climbing and we were in the Boulder Colorado area. And there was, heck there was nowhere to eat there except a gas station. And we stopped there to grab something to eat. And there was some peanut butter crackers there. I freaking love peanut butter crackers, but I would look at the ingredient label and saw X, Y, Z on there and I was like, Nope, not going to have that. So I was at this place where I was going to not fuel myself and give myself energy over being overly critical and neurotic around an ingredient list. I had just taken everything too far,

Christine
So you'd rather have not eaten  than eat something that was quote unquote bad.

Tanya
That is correct, Christine. Yes. Yeah. We can laugh about it because it is ridiculous. Um, but you know, when you're in the world of nutrition and you're a professional, you get in your head, I have to walk the talk. Yeah. And so I was in that mentality of walk, the talk and, you know, before I was in nutrition school, I was actually a fitness professional. So when I was a fitness professional, I felt like, okay,  what do my fitness clients, need? What's the next step that I can take for them? And to me, I was like I'll go to nutrition school and I'll be able to quote, solve all their quote problems. So I think when you're in nutrition school, you're like, yeah, I want to get healthy and I want to eat all the right things. And I never really stopped to pause and see that diet culture had really influenced my thoughts and that healthy quote meant getting thin. Which is not the definition of healthy, but that is what is perpetuated in our culture. And so that it got ingrained to me years ago when I was a fitness professional and years ago, when I was practicing as an eat this, not that nutrition professional, like that was just stuck in my head. That's all I ever knew.

Christine
Yeah. Well, I went to nutrition school to solve the problem too, thinking like, well, I haven't figured it out yet.  I've dieted with every diet on the planet. So let me go and learn for myself. And it just, well just fed an eating disorder. So that's just another topic, but yeah, I think that people think it's a problem that needs to be solved that we have to get smaller. We have to shrink our bodies. So yeah, I think that a lot of people can relate to that. So how did you shift. you were in this place of perfection and you're in this place of regimen and strictness and all that unhappiness? I can, I can relate to that as well. So was there something that happened or was it just, you were fed up? What changed?

Tanya
Yeah. So the next I call it like a little micro step forward was that I discovered the Institute for Psychology of Eating in Boulder, Colorado. And so when I went to that school, that's where I learned that it's more.... Nutrition is more than what you're actually eating. It's how you're eating and why. And it just made me have this broader lens to nutrition and nourishment. So that was a little step forward. But I want to say the two biggest shifts that brought me over to this separating weight from wellness and working in intuitive eating and as a body positive coach were 1) I saw this incredible video by a body image activist, her name is Amy Pence Brown.  And it's a viral video. I want to say when it came out about five years ago, Christine and Amy is at the Boise Boise farmers market. She went there and she stood in the middle of this farmer's market in a black bikini blindfolded. She had a marker in her hand, and in front of her, there was a Blackboard and I'm going to paraphrase what she had on there because I can't remember exactly what it said, but the gist of it was for anybody who's ever felt shame about their body, draw a heart on, just draw a heart on me. And so the video's only a couple of minutes long, but you just watch people reading the sign, walking up to her shaking their heads, like, yeah. Like, you know, they can just think about how they've suffered with body dissatisfaction or just feeling crappy about themselves. And, so these are people of different ages and genders and sizes and shit, you name it. And it just touched me.

Christine
Yeah. I remember that video now that you described it. I do remember that. Very emotional

Tanya
My God, I was crying. I was crying. And so interestingly enough, in my own office, I was seeing a lot of tears by clients. So they would come in and want help with nutrition and wanting to feel better by eating better. But what I've really discovered was that there was either a side or a main course of body dissatisfaction. That was a huge worry. And why people were coming to work on their nutrition because it was about how do I change my body.  And so the tissue box is constantly refilling and I'm crying along with them because I'm like this, I feel totally out of integrity there. This is not do no harm. So yeah. Those two pieces really helped me shift. And then of course discovering the work of Evelyn Tripoli and Elise rash, the founders of intuitive eating, going through that training,  becoming a body image movement, global ambassador watching Taryn Brumfit, who is the founder of the body image, movement, her film Embrace, which I share all the time with my clients.  So, you those two pieces really changed me. And then of course working with hundreds of clients and having my clients come in and they've tried everything under the sun. They'd been on paleo three times, whole 30, whatever, all the different things and you were having conversations around what they're doing with their nutrition. And I'm like, Hey, I, you know,  it sounds like your nutrition is actually quite good. And then we talk about their movement and all, all these other things, that ways that they're taking care of themselves. And I'm like, okay, well, you can lift way heavier kettlebells than me. And your can kick my butt on the, at the ski area. And, and then I'm like, . You know, and they're in a larger body and they're thinking they're unhealthy. And I'm like, okay, we need to pause here for a moment. And we need to untangle this because our culture is so weight equals wellness influence. And so when we together, when we do that work with all of my clients, no matter what your size or shape or age or whatever, we really take the time to look at weight science and look at what the research is showing and break down a lot of the myths around weight and health and longevity, and, I think we think we're one bite away from getting a disease. If we have sugar, you know, you can't have, can't have any sugar or desserts. And I'm like, Ooh, , we've just taken things so far in, in diet culture has created such a mess that healthy eating, In the world of diet culture means you need to be on some sort of restrictive food plan restricting X, Y, or Z. And I'm like, Oh no, that's not. I mean, it took me years to figure this out, but I'm like, that's naturally not healthy eating. Uh, if, if it does it include a healthy relationship with food and your body, because they're connected. So that's why I, I really started diving into the body image work and became a Be Body Positive group facilitator, because we need support. We need to do this work in community. I think that really helps us move along because otherwise you can feel so alone in this kind of counter cultural work, which I hope will not be so counter cultural, the more of us that are doing this and it will become the normal normal, um, but we've got some work to do and we're doing it.

Christine
And do you feel that COVID has made it worse or better? I mean I saw a post from a fitness professional that posted, their anger.  A lot of people were angry when businesses were being closed and I own a fitness studio. It's disheartening to be shut down because you know, it affects our bottom line and affects our ability to continue to serve if we don't have the money to stay open. So I get that, but, I guess this fitness professional thought that instead of shutting down, focusing on that we should be focusing on, ,getting people healthy and their description of that was no more fast food, like demonizing everything. And like you said, the sugar have one bite of sugar you're one step away from getting a disease. And in this case, COVID. You need to take care of your health. And we all need improved health to fight this virus and masks and other things, but a strong immune system isn't, like you said, about the sugar, about it being people are so fearful. People use fear as a way to get people to, in diet culture to get, make people scared of and demonize different foods. So I'm not sure if you feel like, COVID has put a different spin on the work that you're doing now, easier or
harder.

Tanya
Yeah. Let's see. Probably about, I don't know. Now, like six months ago I wrote an article. I'm a writer as well. And so I wrote an article called As You Shelter In Place Forget About Your Weight. And the gist of that is like, Oh my gosh, we're in the middle of a pandemic and media. And I mean, everything is just ramping up thinking the most important thing we need to do is focus on weight loss. I just have to pause there. I'm like, okay, we're in the middle of a pandemic and we're being shamed for our body's changing. Like we got to call that out, just not what we need to be focusing on. And you know, one of the major quotes that I had in that article was by a local therapist, a psychologist who she had put something on her Facebook page saying that she was seeing a lot of fat phobic comments during the pandemic. And so she had this great quote and I reached out to her and I said, you know what? I want to write an article that's focused around what you have to say around you know, focus, she, she focuses on body dysmorphia and eating disorders, this particular psychologist. And so calling out all this fat phobia and stigmatizing weight and making us feel like that's the most important thing we need to do. And when we step back and you, and I know this because we work in this world where like, Oh my gosh, , We came if our body changes for any reason. And if it does change during the pandemic, how can we just think of it as protective, maybe like good thing. Not a bad thing, quote, bad, you know, but that's that, this is just the stuff we need to unravel around health and weight and fitness and we're working on it and I do believe the pandemic has ramp things up.

Christine
Yeah. And  there's a term that's being used just for that very purpose.  Be fearful of the COVID 15. That alone, like with the freshman 15. And  it's just crazy to think about that because like you said, that weight could be very much needed.  It could be a protection for people and your weight could just change as you get older. My body changes as I got older, having children, people going through different phases of their lives and just being so dedicated to what's on the scale versus like you said, separating that weight from wellness because wellness isn't your weight. And in fact, your mental health, you were talking about how its so important if your mental health is affected, because you're so focused on weight, even if you lose weight and you think that's a good thing.  I can imagine when you were talking about the time of your life, when you were very strict, I'm sure , your mental health was not at its best and that's for a lot of people that are struggling with this, that they're depressed or feeling restricted, they're feeling unhappy, and that's a part of wellness.

Tanya
Absolutely. And it's stressful. I love to say there's nothing. I mean, what is it? Stress is worse for you than anything on your plate.  And if you look at all the research around the stress response, it has such an impact on our overall mental. Physical emotional social health and that's why I'm like the, you know, dieting, dieting And I have to put them in quotes because a lot of people are like, Oh, I'm not on a diet. I'm on a healthy eating plan or they're on a, I like to also call it they're on a non diet diet. Like the diet says it's not a diet, but it's still a diet because. The definition of dieting is, you know, restricting, , restricting your food, , whether it's calories or carbs,  , that whatever, however, we package it or label it, it's still a diet. And there's a ton of harm with dieting. They're designed, well, I don't want to say design, but they're unsustainable. So you know, the statistics out there around 95%, uh, the diet fails. You, not, you being the failure. I have to make sure we say that. Um, yeah, our bodies are not, we're not the problem. Our bodies are not the problem. It's the crap that's being sold to us and the definitions, these false definitions of health and fitness and wellness. 

Christine
Yeah. And as we gain momentum, you, myself, others that are trying to move the needle away from diet culture, I feel like more and more people are co-opting this anti diet movement, like you said, they're, "Oh, I'm not on a diet, I'm on a lifestyle plan" or whatever, but they're all diets. They're just kind of, co-opting what we're doing because we are gaining momentum and it's something that they want to get traction on, but at the end of the day, they're still selling a diet. So that side of the coin is, is tough to deal with. When I see that on social media people co-opting that terminology of anti diet. So the work that you do now, I  wonder how it's different. We talked a little bit about how you work with clients, but can you dive a little bit deeper? I wonder if there's more or less tissue boxes being used, because I feel like you're connecting more with people but you're getting them to a better place this time.

Tanya
Yeah, absolutely. So the challenge now is helping. I think this is such a big piece, that desire to still want to lose weight, even though they intellectually agree with everything you and I are saying it's still really hard because there's constant triggers out in our culture. We're constantly being hit with TV shows and ads and it's coming at us left and right. And so some of the major work that I do now is helping people build resilience. So body image resilience, and that's a key term from the researchers Dr. Lexi Kite and Dr. Lindsay Kite. They are the co-founders of beauty redefined and have written in a new book of theirs just came out B I can't, I can't remember exactly the title, but I think it's being more than a body be more than a body. And I just wrote my most recent article my blog post was breaking that down a little bit because their research shows us that living in this culture of ours which is difficult in order to. be able to move forward in feeling good in our bodies we need some tools. And so their work is based around body image resilience. So that's one of the keys, things that I rely on as well as my Be body positive, groups that I facilitate, that I take my group members through five competencies. And. You know, what's really nice about the group setting is that I think we all learn from each other and stories are powerful. Like our real lived experiences as human beings. Like almost every client that I've ever spoken with can pinpoint exactly when the way they felt about their body shifted. When there was some sort of body image, disruption, a comment being bullied, puberty, you know, your body changes like they can pinpoint, or  somebody recommended that they, you know, a parent well-intentioned, put them on a diet, because that's all anybody ever knew. But we know now that there's a better way that we don't need to restrict to be healthy eaters and  movement doesn't need to be about, shouldn't be about earning and burning. That's not  why we move. Our bodies thrive on moving and there's all these amazing benefits of fitness, but somehow diet culture, again, like co-opting and making it about weight loss and earning and burning. And so we have to unravel from all that, but we're doing it right. 
 
Christine
Yeah. There's a lot of undoing. And I like what you said about that resilience because I think that it's very difficult to separate our mind and our emotions. We may know something, but we've been so heavily, I  hate to use the word brainwashed, but you know, we talk about adolescents learning things and it just being a part of your belief system and then some people don't learn any of this stuff for 20, 30, 40, 50 years. That's a lot of undoing that is a lot of undoing. What are some strategies that you give your clients? I also like the way you do group stuff, because I really do again, believe what you said about that, those life stories, because I may not have the same story as you, but you learn so much. And then eventually you do come across someone that has a similar story and then you don't feel so alone. I think that's part of the problem too. We feel alone. 

Tanya
I agree. The group setting is super powerful because you know, somebody's story may be, you know, a 63 year old woman who is struggling with her body image. And it's about aging now. You know, well, not now, but I mean, I'm 51. I'm going to be 52 soon. And so I've experienced peri-menopause on post-menopausal. My body has changed and I'm so deeply grateful for the work of intuitive eating and the body positive, and the body image movement, because otherwise I probably would be trapped in diet culture still. So I'm so grateful that I've learned so much around bodies and bodies changing and what really truly is healthy. Eating not diet culture and so, you know, to get back to your original question, Christine, you know, I'll just mention one of the strategies that the Kite sisters that Dr. Kites, talk about, and one is called, prove yourself wrong. Prove yourself wrong because so many of us are in this waiting zone. The, I will do it if or when, and we have these fears, right. We have these fears, you know, prove yourself wrong. Okay. What is your worry about, okay, let me get, I'll just give you an example of somebody who won't date until they achieve XYZ, weight or whatever. And it's like, okay. So let's let the whole practice now is to prove yourself wrong. And so can we work on getting you out there and just dating? Because there's this belief that you, you can't find love, or you're not going to find, which we know is absolutely not true. I mean, look around at the bazillions of people on planet earth of all different sizes shapes you name it, finding love, but we can get, so you talk about getting stuck in your head. And so we get you out of your head and start taking action. Like go and do and prove yourself wrong. So that's , one, , body image, resilience strategy.  And then in the groups that I do, the five competencies are reclaim your health. So that is an area where we really do talk about,  separating weight from wellness and clearing out a lot of the messages and assumptions that we believed for ever. We've just assumed all that is truth. And if you're start to look at the research and get critical, um, it's kind of shocking what. Really comes forth. And when you look at research around weight and health and longevity and diseases and et cetera, and it's tough because out in the media as, or even on the internet, you name it, like you can get  completely different information. So it's really tough to, to see what is true out there, but there's some wonderful resources that, uh, people are interested. Um, I, you know, I, in, in that first module with clients, we really look at this together. And it's good just to pause and question it. And then even if it's not, research-based unlike look out in the real world, like I mentioned, I have plenty of clients who, love fitness and do all kinds of wonderful things with their bodies. And they're doing,  eating healthy quote for the most part, which is gentle nutrition, which is the 10th person. Principle of intuitive eating.  But they, they consider themselves or are judging themselves on healthy and we get it because that's what culture says. So we internalize that, right. So it's really hard to clear out from that. So we spend some time on that in the first module. And then the second one is practicing intuitive self care. So that's when we dive into intuitive movement, joyful movement, intuitive eating, and also. Unravel what self care is. It's not a, should, there are so many shuts out there and I'm like, nobody knows what self-care is for you, except for you, like only, you know, what you need. And that's really what intuitive means is that you're listening to your own body, not the sheds and the outside rules. 

Christine
It's hard though, sometimes for people to trust that they're going to. Because I think we've spent so much time in that restrictive, like, you need to do this, this, this, this, and for some people that's, it's like jumping off a high dive where there's just scary to find that trust again. I don't wanna go too long into this because I also know that this is work and people need to work with you or work with someone to do the work.  But if you have a, maybe one strategy that you could share in this area that might help the listeners. 

Tanya
What I do is I touch upon intuitive eating in this section. And for those of you who don't know what intuitive eating is, it is a set of 10 principles. It's a self care eating framework. It is not a diet. It is not focused on weight loss. , the first. Principle is reject the diet mentality. And I think that is the first strategy to start is a recognizing what it is because it's so pervasive. That we're like fish in water. We don't even see it. I didn't see it for years and years and years. , and so I think that's one of the, the very first steps that we take is to recognize, uh, that something is diet culture and how it's taken away, our time, our money, our self-worth. So we, uh, we untangle some of that. In that second in that second step.  And then in that third competency is cultivating self-love. People are like, what the heck is self love. Um, and that's funny cause it's, to me, I'm just like, well, I bet you, I mean, how many of us are so loving to others? We're so generous with our love toddlers, for sure. But we don't what we're like. We don't think we're deserving of that. Same love that we give to everybody else, because we're not taught this as kids, , We feel like we have to earn love perhaps, or I don't know, there's a lot of things to untangle there, but this is also about having resiliency to deflect the negative self-talk in our heads. So that's a really big piece, to see that, I mean, it's so normal for us to get in our heads because.  We're constantly being bombarded by messages telling us, , we need to look a certain way or we need to fix, or our bodies, if they don't quote, come, , fit the look of,  , diet culture's definition of whether it's health or fitness or beauty. So cultivating self-love is a really beautiful piece. The fourth piece  is declare your authentic beauty. Which is really hard for people to do, because again, we're so self critical, right. And then also redefining beauty. Like I bet you, when you talk to your friends or your family members, you probably find them beautiful quote unquote, in so many ways. That may have nothing to do with even what they look like at all. They have such an inner beauty. So, , that's really fun to work in a group  setting just to hear like the different pieces from people, , how they would declare their authentic beauty. And then  the final piece is building community because you head on it, like going alone is really difficult. So doing this in community. So whether or not you have,  we do this within our group, but just think if like, for you in your fitness community, like community support is. Very valuable. Right? So that when there's these messages that are constantly triggering us, we can stand together and be like, Nope, I'm going to put my feet on the ground and I'm okay. And I have my support group around me to help me keep moving forward. 

Christine
Yeah, I think community, the community is so important. And we realized that quickly when we were on lockdown the first time, because, of course we wanted to get the workouts going. We, like everyone, started zooming, but we knew that  people can obviously find workouts online and can move their bodies anywhere. They don't need to come into the studio, but it was the community aspect of showing up for one another and being there for one another on those good days, on the bad days, on the days that you wake up and you're not feeling so great about yourself and you want that support. And,  that's why a lot of people do group fitness. That's why I've gravitated towards group fitness my entire life and yeah, I get that community is so, so important.  I'm going to make sure I link, There's a lot of references that were in today's podcast, links to books and videos I'll definitely share some videos in the show notes and then also your contact information. As a writer, you have so much content that,  listeners can go and, and read and dive a little bit deeper in, in addition to just your programs. And again, because I'm not sure if all your programs are virtual.

Tanya
Yes. 

Christine
Good, good. Because now, no matter where you're listening from, you can work with Tanya and get more information. And hopefully build that better relationship. So I,  want to ask you a few last questions. We always do this on the show to  find out a little bit more about our guests. And so I want to ask you what your favorite way is to move your body. 

Tanya
You know, right now it's winter here in Jackson Hole and I love skate skiing. Are you familiar with, so I don't know anything about that. Okay. So how about cross country skiing? Yeah. Okay. So the skis look the same. So they're long and skinny, like cross country skis.
Except the difference is, is that you're skating on  the snow as if you had ice skates on. So it said skating motion, um, really fun. You know, you're outside, it's beautiful. It's hard. I like it. It just gets me, you know, pink in the cheeks and sweating and I, I really enjoy being outside. So in the winter time, right now, I'm really enjoying skate skiing.

Christine
Awesome. And  this might be someone else's new found way to move their body in a new way, it's always great to find new ways to find movement and to make it joyful. So your favorite way to practice self-care you did mention that everybody's self-care is different and I appreciate that because the way you care for yourself is definitely different. The way I might choose to practice some self-care. So share with me, what's something that you like to do. 

Tanya
Well, I think it's constantly changing according to my needs. So most recently I got a ukulele and  , I do not have musical talent. I've never played a string instrument and I've decided that.
It's fun to learn something new. And the ukulele is just so adorable and fun. That to me, I don't know. My husband's  even grabbed it a couple of times and we're giggling, cause we're both horrible, but now I'm learning. So to me, , It's a way to relax and have fun. So that's, that's kind of a new little piece for me. That I consider. Self-care 

Christine
Nice. And, I know that a lot of us have been in lockdown some longer than others, and we may have turned to television books, podcasts, movies, as a way to like maybe binge something. So what is something binge-worthy that you found over the past year?

Tanya
That is a long answer. Christine probably I've found a lot done so many shows and in completely different genres all over the place, which I probably never would have done if it weren't for the pandemic, but you know, everything from shameless to the great to, um, Oh my God. I can't even think of all the really fun shows that I've watched. , We like thrillers and dramas and you name it, but I'm just trying to think, what are we watching right now? 

Christine
It's so fun to hear because people on this podcast, I don't think I've ever got the same answer twice and it's just quite fascinating. And I think you're right. Like you may not even remember what you binged in April. You might remember just something that was more recent, but I'm glad to hear that. I'm not the only one that has been some things. Cause I started feeling like, Oh, maybe I shouldn't be watching all these things, but, I think being home just gave us more time. 

Tanya
Well, and you know what, it's fun and it's an escape. And that's why I said I've been kind of going all over the place in all these different genres, , because it is an escape and. Being in a pandemic. I think it's awesome to have all these kind of different, unique experiences that can take us into, , whatever comedy drama, you name it. Like it's just fun. So I'm, I'm pretty grateful for entertainment actually during the pandemic 

Christine
100% me as well. And we love music here at Pop Fit Studio. We have music driven classes. So, if you have a favorite song or artist or genre of music, that's,  making you happy right now.

Tanya
Oh, when you, as soon as you said happy, I was like thinking, Oh, I don't know.
I don't know. I go with Michael Franti. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Frank, his music is, is the, to me, the epitome of happy and positive. So to answer that question yes, for fun, positive music, Michael Franti. In fact, during the pandemic, he is in Bali with his, uh, w I mean, that's where he's living. Uh, he's from the U S but he's been living in Bali cause he has a yoga, um, Yoga like meditation, you name it resort there. And he's been doing virtual concerts. So he did one on new year's Eve and how fun to participate in a joy full concert with people around the world. So that's been a lot of fun. 

Christine
Well, thank you for the suggestion. We are always looking for new music for our playlist at the studio. So, I know I've used one of his songs in a dance fitness class before, so I'm going to look him up and add some more of his music because we could all use some happy music right now. So I appreciate you spending the time with me today. I feel like I could just talk to you for hours. You are just so easy to talk to and so much great information and just perspective on this topic. So I know we'll be talking again soon and for everyone else, again, I'll put your information in the show notes below.

Tanya
Thanks for having me, Christine, and I love the name of this podcast. So thanks for hosting. 

Christine
Absolutely. Thank you for joining us today on this episode of the Breaking Body Biases podcast.